Interviews

Autopsy IV says: Lauderdale’s album Moving On turned up all over all sorts of Best Of lists last month so I thought now would be the perfect time to post this interview Charles did with Niles Lee a while back. Enjoy.

9B:  In the Nine Bullets review AIV mentioned that Moving On was recorded a couple of years ago.  Is there a story behind what too so long for the album to see the light of day?  And are there new songs and plans to record a follow-up?

NL:  We started recording the album a couple of years ago and finished tracking and mixed the album last summer.  One of the reasons it took so long is that we had to record for free, so we had to find places to work for free. Ben Tanner and I figured that we had worked in about six different locations in the making of “Moving On”.  Also, several of Lauderdale’s members are also involved with other bands, so we would work on it when everyone had time. Last but not least, last year we took a break from playing shows and made a lineup change and in the process of doing that we kinda let the album fall by the wayside.  We do have some new songs worked up and there are several that I had written while we were taking that break.  It is my goal to start recording another album soon.

9B:  I haven’t had a chance to check out your first album, though I want to, and I imagine many of the Nine Bullets readers haven’t either.  Should they buy that one also?  Is there a significant sound difference from the first album to the second?

NL:  As far as the differences between the first and second albums, to me they are very different.   The first album was recorded when we were a three piece band.  So all of the production was me alone, sitting around filling the spaces, with the exception of a lead guitar track on the song “heartbreaker”.  Also, a lot of the songs were written as solo acoustic/vocal songs and then were made into rock songs, which only works some of the time.  Its been many years since I have heard some of the tracks on that album, but we still consistently play certain songs to this day.  The first album has some really strong songs and some that in my opinion were ruined by us trying to make them be something they were never meant to be… rock songs…  (but for the record there are songs that I hate that people say are their favorite songs on that album. Damned if you do, damned if you dont I guess…) That has been my biggest struggle in this band, how to write a rock’n roll song.  With “moving on” I feel it is obvious that I have become more comfortable with writing rock songs and also not forcing a song to be something it isn’t.

9B:  One of the things I’ve noticed about Moving On is the consistency of sound.  The songs sound different but they all seem like the come from a band that has honed its sound.  I can tell y’all aren’t fresh out of college, how long have y’all been working as a band?  Share a little bit about your history, especially if it’s anything like Motley Crue’s.

NL:  As far as a consistancy of sound, it all comes down to each person in the band developing and having their own style and not the band developing and sticking to a style. The best analogy in a pop sense I can make is Coldplay vs. REM.  Coldplay has made a fortune off of a 6 over 4 drum pattern and REM will never be summed up by a drum pattern…

We are from Muscle Shoals, a tiny nothing town in Alabama.  Years ago there were a group of guys that created a very unique “sound” based upon their individual interpretations of their instruments.  We honestly look up to them, and are just trying to learn and or steal from them what we can.

9B:  We want to see you on the road.  There aren’t many tour dates listed are there plans to change that?

NL:  Even though we have released a new album we are still working our way out of the slump created by the time off that we have taken.  I know that we wont be traveling as much as we did in the past, but we are going to try to focus on playing better shows and not every show that comes our way.

9B:  What has the reception to The Grant been thus far?  We love it at Nine Bullets.

NL:  I am sure some people like it and some people will hate it… it is what it is… its an album…

From Moving On:
Lauderdale – Moving On
Lauderdale – Torn At The Seams
Lauderdale – Stars Fell

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Every now and then the bass player gets his day.  Usually the singer or the guitarist gets all the fame and all the questions.  So Today Nine Bullets caught up with American Aquarium’s bass player, Bill Corbin.  He talked about their last record, their next record, and their upcoming tour west of the Mississippi.

9B: It’s been a while since your last record, Small Town Hymns came out, at least by y’all’s standards.  Are there a batch of new songs waiting to be recorded or all y’all just concentrating on playing shows?

BC: It has been quite a while since Small Town Hymns came out. This is the first year since I joined the band that we haven’t put out a new record and honestly, it’s been a nice change of pace.  With Dances for the Lonely we had road tested those songs for months prior to the recording sessions which made making the album a fairly easy process for us.  For Small Town Hymns however, we moved down to Oxford for a month with essentially nothing written for the record in hopes of doing all the writing, arrangements, and recording at the same time. We thought this would be a fun challenge and it certainly was. We quickly learned that a month can come and go very quickly and while we are all
very proud of the album we made there, I think we all wonder what the record would’ve been like had we fleshed it out a bit beforehand.

For this new record we decided to go back to how we use to do it: Bj writes a song, we work out an arrangement for it, play it for crowds, and then make adjustments here and there until we are happy with it. It’s a process that we all enjoy. Seeing what works and what doesn’t. I like to think audience members enjoy this as well. You get to see a song kind of grow and evolve. Hell, you can even see it on youtube. If you look up new songs like “redheads and adderall” or “st marys” you can see that they are almost all different in one way or another. So, yes we have been working on new material in addition to playing shows and continuing to tour throughout 2011. We have the bulk of the
album written and will be playing quite a few new ones on our fall tour in November. We will be hard at work over the holidays putting together the rest of the album which we will be recording in January down in Muscle Shoals with Jason Isbell producing it.

9B: The tour schedule for American Aquarium is generally pretty packed but I noticed this fall y’all are heading to some places I don’t remember y’all playing very often.  St. Louis, Denver, Nebraska, & Kansas.  Are these totally new places for the band and are y’all making a concerted effort to open up some new markets?  How hard is it to stretch out your touring areas?

BC: We have actually been to these markets before but it’s been a very long time since we have been there. We’ve played all over but it’s really hard to get that far out, so usually it’s only once a year we can hit those spots. The problem is that in order for us to tour and get that far out we have to be gone for a very long time for it to be profitable for us. We are still a developing band operating on essentially a shoestring budget so we really have to put a lot of thought and effort into getting that far from home. Thankfully our
management does a great job of organizing it in a way that makes financial sense, minimizes risk, and keeps it fun for us. We hate to neglect markets and we certainly will be out that way quite a bit more in 2012 when the new record comes out.

9B: When you were down at Tweed recording Small Town Hymns I swear you told me that the band was waking up in the mornings and jogging.  Did I make this up and if I didn’t do any of y’all run while on tour or have any PE type activities while living in a van?  I keep picturing y’all running down one of those Mississippi country roads as a band and I wonder if there was always a slowest runner.

BC: I love this question! I still try to exercise everyday but staying fit on the road certainly presents its own challenges. I love to weightlift but I rarely have access to a real gym on the road so I end up running a lot more and trying to watch what I eat. The hard part is exercising enough to counteract all the drinking we do on the road. We drink a lot and often so I have to take that into account everyday. If I’m playing a place like Little Rock I know I have to run my ass off during the day because once the show starts there will be a deluge of alcohol that just won’t stop. The rest of the band will work out now and then still, but at the very least there has been a concerted effort by everyone to eat healthier during the day.  I would say collectively we are healthier now than we have ever been although you might not guess it by how much we drink once the show starts.

9B: A year or so ago American Aquarium took their rock show across the pond.  How was that experience?  (Bill if this was while you weren’t playing with the band feel free to ignore this one)

BC: I was with the band when we went to Europe and it was amazing. The folks running and attending the Blue Highways festival treated us so ridiculously well. The crowd was just so attentive and appreciative that I couldn’t believe it.  It was such a trip to be in a foreign country and have people singing your songs. It’s an experience that I’ll never forget. I hope we can make it back there soon.

9B: From the times I’ve seen y’all play and hung out it seems like you’ve probably got one or two road stories.  Please share a recent one, and remember this is a blog it DOESN’T have to be PG.

BC: Code of the road, man. I can’t throw anybody under the bus but rest assured I have stories for days. I’ll tell you a few of my own off the record when I see you in Denver if you can make it. It might require some whiskey to loosen the lips though! Haha.

American Aquarium – Nothing To Lose
American Aquarium – Rattlesnake

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If you could put a voice to that feeling that overcomes you as the night stumbles to a close and the barlights dim ever so slightly, that last little loving nudge towards the door before the slam back on, each blazing bulb a 120 watt punch in the nose, that voice would be Matthew Ryan’s.

For the better part of 15 years, Ryan has been putting out beautiful records, collections of graceful, hypnotic melodies floating high above a battlefield of love and loss and all of the other wreckage we all leave behind us. Sonically pinpointing Ryan’s music – for those who take solace in the ease of that sort of reductive classification – is nearly impossible, as his compositions are at times stripped nearly bare (the twangy late-night diatribe of “Nails” from Regret Over the Wires), and at others a crash course in sonic layers (the beautifully orchestrated ache of “Never Look Back” from From A Late Night High Rise).

I first came to Matthew Ryan’s music via mixtape, well over a decade ago. A friend had carefully placed a couple of songs from Ryan’s debut album, May Day, among a few of my favorites (Dylan, Westerberg, Earle, Waits, Springsteen). The tracks stood out, not because I didn’t recognize them, but because they were so beautifully written, so well-crafted, that I had to listen multiple times consecutively before I was convinced they weren’t somehow pathworked creations derived from other songs. Since that day, I’ve been an avid and unapologetic Matthew Ryan devotee.

When I learned Ryan would be self-releasing his new album, Dear Lover (available now digitally and through Ryan’s website, with a full-scale physical release scheduled for February 16, 2010), I vowed I would sing the album’s praises in every venue afforded to me. As such, this is the first of a two-part Dear Lover celebration. The following interview with Matthew Ryan was conducted over the course of several days via email, with no planned questions, only those which flowed from the answers Ryan provided as the conversation flowed. What resulted was, I believe, as natural a conversation as two people can have given the circumstances. Part Two, which will follow later this week, will be comprised of my review of Dear Lover. Until then, enjoy discovering, rediscovering, or further discovering Matthew Ryan.

You’ve said you view music cinematically, and I’d agree that Dearl Lover is a very cinematic record in terms of the narrative flow, the way one song leads into another. Were there any specific films on your mind when you were making the record?

A Very Long Engagement and Children of Men were on my mind a lot…

Those are fantastic films. Were they on your mind thematically or was the intent more to make a record that sort of reflected Cuaron and Jeunet’s filmmaking? Both films, in my opinion, had a very “barren” quality about them, the sort of beauty you see in trees completely stripped of their leaves in late November.

Yeah, there’s a barrenness. But also how people (and those characters) get even more human when confronted with mortality. Whether it’s the mortality of their dreams, concepts, beliefs, love or lives. There’s a lot of references lyrically to winter on Dear Lover. Almost a nuclear winter. I wanted the record to be spare. I wanted my voice, the melody and the lyrics to convey the stories. I really tried to create a filmic feel and tempo to the record. The music acts like weather, furniture and place. The record isn’t intended to be apocalyptic by any stretch. It’s just supposed to be completely stripped of anything that obstructs the emotionalism.

It’s these kind of details that excite me about music, film and art in general. Dear Lover was intended to be as pure a record as I could offer where I didn’t burden myself with any concern outside the feeling that the songs were simultaneously exposed and maximized. Because there’s diversity in what songs require, the filmic idea allowed me to go exactly where each song needed to go because I could treat each song like a scene. Funny thing is, that if you listen to City Life (track 1) and The End Of A Ghost Story (the last track), they both occur in the same “location.” But so much has happened in between that the air has changed, the mood has changed. The feel is different. And that’s not unlike the mood or feel of your kitchen before and after an argument that finds resolution. Know what I mean?

Yeah, “stripped of anything that obstructs the emotionalism” is a great way to put it – barren in that way, as well. You mention that you wanted your voice, the melody and the lyrics to convey the stories and this is something that, in my opinion, you’ve always done incredibly well throughout the course of your work, using a song’s melody to convey those things that the lyrics don’t. To me, this is a completely different animal that writing a “hook,” and it’s an aspect of songwriting that really gets overlooked. What was the process for you? How did you figure out what would be spoken and unspoken in these narratives?

For Dear Lover I only wanted to record performances. I’m sure you understand how often tracking becomes about “getting it right” or “good enough.” Those modes are dangerous to the purity of a song. I love choruses. But they are not a priority. Songs can act as descriptive mantras and conversations as well. Many of the songs on Dear Lover are just that. To me the best choruses feel natural like where the wrist becomes the hand. I’ve found that I want above all to feel something as a performer and a listener. That may seem obvious. But that’s where I’m coming from. So with the songs on Dear Lover are moments recorded circling a theme. Hopefully the songs are strong enough to stand alone. I believe they are. But so much of writing and singing and performing is simply allowing yourself to operate on instinct. It takes an absolute trust in the moment. But that is how I approached both the writing and the performing of these songs, which was mostly done on mic. And after something was recorded, I would let it breathe for a bit and then listen to try and understand if my truth, in that moment, was told.

That brings me to something I’ve found is really important to me as a listener: that an album stands both as a complete work in and of itself and as a collection of songs that hold up individually. There is a very clear and tangible theme coursing throughout Dear Lover, and you’ve talked a little bit about the songs dealing with some of what results from a confrontation with mortality. How important is it to you that people hear this album in its entirety? Dear Lover is being released digitally first, so there is a distinct possibility that people will hear one, two, or a handful of tracks “out of context,” so to speak. How do you reckon with that?

It’s a lot to ask of strangers to commit to listen to our work like we do. Particularly when you consider the army of intentions and nature of luck. I mean, that’s essentially what we do whenever we release a record. There’s a fair amount of ego involved in the notion of albums alone. But it’s also a pure and simple willingness, need and desire to communicate. I’ve always hoped to create albums that evoked curiosity from listeners. In the speed of our emerging culture, it seems tougher to engage people for the entire 45 minutes of a record. So that’s why I tried to make each song as pure and radiant as possible, hoping each song could stand on their own for whatever the needs or emotional availability of a listener is or was. But like how scenes in a movie glide into each other, the songs on Dear Lover do the same. It starts in one place and the story pulls it to and through all the elements that arc of a story offers. Hopefully it pulls listeners along. It’s not preachy. It’s trying to tell as honestly as it can the ways that we can get lost, and in turn, at least one version of how we can be found again.

I think that’s really beautifully put, and the honesty of the songs really permeates the performances in a very intimate, visceral way. Dear Lover was recorded and mixed almost entirely at home, which you’ve written about a little bit for Blurt. What prompted the decision to make the record at home and, for the most part, by yourself?

Well first and foremost, recording an entire album alone was something I always wanted to do. I’ve tried before, but my technical skills weren’t quite there yet. Follow the Leader (from From A Late Night High Rise), Jane I Still Feel The Same(from MRVSS) and Return To Me (from Regret Over the Wires) were all, for the most part, recorded in my home studio. But with Dear Lover it was time to live and die by my own talents and abilities. Early in 2009 I read a quote by Joe Strummer. He said essentially that as long as you have others to blame, you’ll never learn nothing. That really stuck with me.

I love the people I’ve played music with, but they could never read my mind. So every record has had beautiful moments, and moments where I felt the sonic story underachieved. So with Dear Lover it was time to dismantle any excuses for failure. I started my own label with my publicist, Monica Hopman. And I made Dear Lover alone at home from beginning to end, I don’t want to have anyone to blame for where I have fallen short. I want to grow my career as much as I can, offer the purest, most beautiful music I’m capable of. And I want to succeed, I see no nobility in being virtually unknown. Because being virtually unknown means you haven’t earned any equity in what you’re doing with you life. I want security, but I also want my dignity. My goal is to prove that that still means something in all the blizzards of our culture.

I still had friends play on the record, but only after I felt I had defined exactly what the song was. And I have to say, in all honesty, Hans Dekline at Sound Bites Dog mastered the absolute hell out of Dear Lover. He made it sound like a million bucks.

I think there’s a real fallacy in the thinking of some that being on an indie label means you get to retain every ounce of your dignity and control. I think both you and I could probably dispel that notion pretty quickly for someone.

Dear Lover sounds fantastic. So now you’ve got this beautiful record that people should hear and, for better or worse, it’s up to you to bring them around to it. In the dizzying blur of the everythingrightnow world we live in, that likely means Facebook, Twitter, blogs, and the like. I’m curious, has there been a point yet where you’ve had to go, “okay, enough self-promotion today.” I know there are days where I have grown really tired of being both the carnival barker and the trapeze artist, y’know?

As a sort of related question – since this interview will be posted rather than printed – how do you feel about the way that arm of promotion has changed in the last decade or so? Do you read many music blogs?

I try not to self-promote. I’m actually anti-marketing in a way. My goal is to engage people and offer context to my music because my hope is that my music inspires them to become advocates. I believe that regardless of what business believes, real success and a real career is built upon an intimacy between what you create and how people welcome what you create into their lives. The best “promotion” is when someone sits down in a car or house somewhere and someone says, “listen to this, you have to hear this song.”  It’s a slow-process, but it’s proving to be the right process for me. My career continues to grow. It’s painfully slow sometimes, but other modes just don’t work for me.

I find myself more interested in what real people are saying in threads and chats about music. I do read some blogs, but honestly, it’s often hard for me because I have a dog in the fight. Frankly, I find some blogs and music sites to be a form of fascism. That being said, I am inspired by anyone anywhere that writes passionately and intelligently about music. I love when I read something so infectious about a band that it builds real curiosity from me. I recently found Glasvegas through a blog. It just felt honest to me. And it turns out, I love their record. That’s when it’s a success. I just wish their was a way to divide the great and inspired writing from the hipster dregs and the spam. We really need three internets: One for smart, emotional critical thinkers; one for proud consumers; and another for hipsters who will cringe and hopefully grin at pictures of themselves and their clever music three years from now.

I think you were one of the first musicians who I remember openly saying, “share my music however you see fit.” It was really refreshing at the time, and continues to be so. I absolutely agree that the best “promotion” is one person to another, “you gotta hear this!” That’s how I found May Day many, many years ago. Somebody put “Irrelevant” and “Railroaded” on a mix tape for me. Are there songs on Dear Lover you feel are especially representative of what you wanted to accomplish? Something you would put on a mixtape for someone?

It’s hard to point one song out on Dear Lover. I worked very hard to make this a collection with real thematic continuity and development. I know listeners will have their favorites, and that’s been the beauty of my career so far. Because different people gravitate to my work for different reason. I’m always amazed that nearly every song I’ve ever written is someone’s favorite for very legitimate reasons.

But if I had to say which songs I would point people to, it would go like this:

We Are Snowmen – Because it’s true poetry and cinema married to a melody. It’s a short story that ends with a beautiful, urgent message in conclusion. It’s also my favorite vocal performance to date. I feel like a real singer on Snowmen.

Your Museum – Similar to Snowmen in that it deals in absolute beauty. It’s one of those songs that’s as beautiful as it is strange. But because of the melody, lyric and air it creates, it doesn’t buckle under being strange for strange’s sake. It sounds like it should, because if you’ve ever been where this song is coming from, you know what a relief it represents. Some of my best writing when it comes to pure hope.

Spark – Because it’s something that maturity has allowed me to embrace without fear. It’s the bravest song on the record aesthetically speaking because the track is a hard Trance track. But thematically for the arc of the record it works perfectly. I know some purist might snub it, but I don’t care. It’s a great song when stripped down. But the song was also sturdy enough to play the role of Apocalypse Now for lovers in the development of Dear Lover’s story. And that amazes me.

The World Is – Because, well, this song is the essence of my message over the years. Some view me as a pessimist or cynic or depressive or too serious. Well, that’s just not true. I’m an eternal optimist with seriously romantic notions of what men and women are capable of. We live in very serious times, and I feel that it’s my job to try provoke heroism and perseverance in myself and those that care to listen. It may upset some to know that rarely, very rarely are my songs about just me and my experience. I know that can be contrary to the mythology that some artists like to build around themselves. But my songs are looking more outward than some might suspect. It’s impossible to separate individuals from the times they live in. By finding beauty and despair in the modern struggle I believe art helps to define a way out or at least to offer some peace with the things that daunt hope and dignity.

Matthew Ryan – American Dirt
Matthew Ryan – Come Home
Matthew Ryan – We Are Snowmen

It’s a big week here in ninebullets.net land. Our (my) favorite band, Lucero, is officially releasing their sixth album (and first on a major label. Hey! Did you know it has horns? I don’t wanna get into the album too much today as I’ll be posting a piece about the album specifically tomorrow but did you know there are horns on it?

Anyhow, when long time 9b reader/commenter Cliff in England asked if I’d be interested in running an interview he conducted with the boys a few weeks back I jumped at it. Hope y’all enjoy it.

~ Autopsy IV


A Night with the Boys from Lucero (an interview by Cliff England):

Formed in Memphis, Tennessee in 1998, Lucero has been tearing through this country with their punk/rock/country (insert about any aesthetic adjective here) outfit for some time now. Lead vocalist, Ben Nichols, has one of the most distinctive voices in music today. It’s unrefined, rough, and exposed, in other words it is the definition of rock n’ roll. Brian Venable, lead guitarist, and co-founding member does the balancing act. His guitar ranges from solid country blues, to raging rock guitar. Bassist, John C. Stubberfield, and drummer, Roy Berry, round out the quartet with solid layering and depth. Lucero goes beyond skin deep though; Nichols writing sets the tone as raw and emotional as his voice. Life on the fringe seems to be the biggest theme in Nichol’s writing. The words seem to pour out of him with honesty and sincerity like someone decades before his time.

The “Lucero Sound” is hard to characterize, at its core it is a medley of everything great in American music of the last fifty years. The teenage punk angst of Black Flag, a 1970’s Kris Kristofferson country folk tune, and the soul of Springsteen’s Born to Run are all pieces of the Lucero puzzle. Slowly, but surely the band is finding each of those pieces. They are undoubtedly a force helping put Memphis, and everything the home of Elvis Presley embodies, back on the map.

On October 6th Lucero releases their sixth full length record 1372 Overton Park. It marks a change for Lucero, goodbye to their record label and on to the infamous, Universal Republic. Many fans and skeptics are concerned with the jump to a major label. The concern lies in the droves of bands that have made the same leap only to be misguided and left to be a skeleton of their previous selves. The question that lingers now is; on which side of the line will Lucero ultimately land?

That question among many others was asked when I sat down with Brian Venable before their show in Urbana, Illinois at the Pygmalion Music Festival which Lucero was headlining:

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CE: So 1372 Overton Park is the New Record right?
BV: Yes

CE: You guys lived there for quite a while?
BV: Yea, the four of us from like 8 years ago up until recently. That’s how we we’re able to tour so frequently, the rent was cheap. All living in one spot

CE: All you guys living together I’m bet there is some stories you could tell from that?
BV: Umm probably, I think realistically, you go out for six weeks you come home, the warehouse was huge. Everybody would just kind of splinter off, and not be in the same van for awhile. A lot of drinking, a lot of you know, pretty much we could destroy a garbage pile and shoot with bb guns. Pretty much if your twelve year old self got to live in a place with your friends and do anything you want.

CE: You guys just signed with Universal this last year. Has that brought about any change or anything?
BV: There is a lot more red tape sometimes. It sounds better to your parents. We’re pretty much doing the same thing. I think between the label, and the new producer, they forced us. They wanted demos, which we’ve never really done good demos, like they wanted completed demos. And it forced us to actually concentrate on the songs more before we even went into the studio. Which I think help make it a better record.

CE: You guys had to be a little bit more responsible about the whole thing?
BV: Yes, yes, there were deadlines.

CE: So tell me about the record then, it comes out October 6th right?
BV: Yes

CE: There is a lot of talk around the fans and everything about the horns section…
BV: Yea, we’re curious about it. It’s been 50/50 for me looking on the boards. For every person that’s like “ohh this sounds like ska”, which I always assume is some twelve year old kid that likes Rage Against the Machine. That has no concept of what’s going on, like a soul record, or a Bruce Springsteen record, or anyone of them till they get older. Most everybody schools them online, like ‘don’t be dumb’. It’s an exciting progression if you think about it. I went back personally because I had heard bands. I wanted horns on the record not even in a soul way originally. But just in a ‘rock you in the crib’ (sorta way) There was this band from Denver, Hearts of Palm. It’d be exciting to just do this on a one or two songs just mix it up. It ended up working out really well. A friend of mine heard some of the early demos with horns, and he said it sounded real Memphis soul. And you go back all the Lynyrd Skynyrd studio stuff had horns, Alice Cooper’s first three records (had) horns. You know like, you never heard the horns as much until you start concentrating then you’re like ohh wait a minute. It’s like piano, when we introduced piano. People were like, “ehhhhh that’s different,” you know but the saxophone and piano are right there with the birth of rock n roll.

CE: Amen.
CE: So you guys worked with a legendary saxophonist (Jim Spake), from Memphis right?

BV: Yes

CE: How was that?
BV: It was fun, I think he’s Memphis, so I don’t think we don’t necessarily go in thinking “Legendary Saxophonist”. It’s Jim. Which is one of the things about Memphis, stuff happens and nobody gets a big heads or egos about it. Whatever record you’re working on is the most important one at the time.

CE: Speaking of Memphis in that sense, I know there is a big music scene down there. Can you kind of describe what that was about, where you guys came from?
BV: I think it’s always been a real interesting situation. Like, with the 60’s and 70’s you had your Elvis. And then you turn into your, or a lot of times you went to record in Memphis. There wasn’t a lot of artist coming. There were labels, or there was American Records. Wasn’t that what it was called?
RS (Lucero pianist Rick Skeff): Yes.
BV: Like “Dusty Springfield in Memphis” and “Memphis Experience.” You’d have a whole lot of that. And I think the city wants the commerce industry, they were like “OHH ELVIS yeah yeah yeah”, but they’ll miss the entire underground. That was always the joke with Memphis; some of the best bands in the world started, played, and broke up after a year. Maybe put out a seven inch, maybe didn’t even do anything. But we just came out of that huge music scene that is boiling underground that never really goes anywhere.

CE: So any bands out right now around Memphis that you would recommend? Somebody might not get a chance if they’re not in Memphis to check out online.
BV: We’re taking out a few people. Amy LaVere. She plays upright bass. She’s kind of a….I don’t know what a chanteuse is but,
RS: How about a classy woman in a long silk dress, playing sultry tunes.
BV: I always thought it was the color red. But she did that “5$ cover” TV show with Ben and everything. So far from what I’ve heard everybody is really excited about the “Dirty Streets”. They just kind of started. We’re taking them out for a little bit. But I mean they’re so new I haven’t even heard em’. But everyone that has immediately says they sound like the MC5 and they’re amazing. There is like the “City Champs” and they’re kinda like “Booker T & MG’s” soul thing. Then there is always the makeshift people, which is Snowglobe, Jimmy James & the Hall, any kind of number of them. There is just a group of them, like a little community of about 20 people that all play in the same bands.

CE: So it’s like a little community?
BV: Yea, just like that.

CE: You guys have a few more dates around here then you’re heading back to Memphis?
BV: We do Detroit, really Ferndale, which I think is a suburb or something. Then we’ll do Columbus, OH, and then we’re home for two-weeks. Hopefully we’ll spend most of those days practicing.

CE: Big Tour right?
BV: Trying to get the.… We’ll we’ve recorded with the horns but we’ve never actually played live before with them.

CE: So you’re breaking them out for the tour?
BV: Yea, we’re taking the horns out for the fall tour. So it’s going to be a gigantic crazy deal.

CE: How long is that going to go on then?
BV: Six weeks, October 8th to November 21st

The scene was nearly four hours after the interview. Lucero finally walked on stage at nearly one o’clock. By that time the robust crowd at the Canopy Club had dispersed to a dreary, but steadfast hundred or so people. Concern was obvious that the people left were either too drunk to find their way home, or trying to get to that point. All the while it was clear they did not care about the band coming on stage. Doubts and reservations quickly left when the first chords to Lucero’s set started. “Sound of the City”, a new track, quickly got the crowd out of its lull of drunkenness.

Ben humored the crowed by taking multiple shots from concert goers and taking request after request. Lucero essentials like “Nights Like These”, “All Sewn Up”, and “Chain Link Fence” were all played. As well, new Lucero songs “Hey Darlin’ Do You Gamble”, “Darken My Door” and “The Devil and Maggie Charcarillo” were played. The songs set the mood as if it was an early era punk show, then slowed it to a halt with sincerity like a Merle Haggard acoustic set, just as any Lucero studio record can do.

The show was not without its faults. It was evident from the start drummer, Roy Berry, was having problems with his drum kit. Chaos and antics ensued mid way through the set when Roy decided to quit drumming and sat down out of frustration. Then he stood up and sprayed beer all over the stage. After some encouragement from Ben, and rest of the band, Roy decided to saddle up and finish the show. The incident did little to hinder the enjoyment of the show; if anything it affirmed the notion that the band lives up to its’ rock n’ roll persona.

The night was capped off with moving solo performance by Ben of the new song “Mom,” a poignant tale for mothers everywhere. Nichols thanked the audience for staying up so late with the band, and asked what time the bar closed. Pouring their hearts and souls out up on stage, like the most genuine bands before them, the answer was simple; No, Lucero had played past closing time.


Well what do you know. Another week….another piece on a band from Ohio. There really must be something in the water up there. If I feature many more Ohio bands on here I think I’m gonna have to give Ohio it’s own category in wordpress.

Hailing from Columbus, The Wells are Robert Loss (vocals), Andy Gard (bass, vocals), Billy Heingartner (drums, vocals), Nick Mancini (guitar) and Lori Parsley (vocals). Formed as a trio in 2003, they produced the EP New Valley Death Blues in 2004, which was described by their local paper as “rustic Appalachian folk music and drawling country twang with a churning rock sensibility underneath.” In December of 2004 the trio began the recording sessions that would make up their sophomore effort, The Outcasts Will Make a Strong Nation.With Outcasts they seem to have turned down the Appalachian that was in the debut and turned up the rock. Now it would be best to revise their sound description to a loose rock and roll outfit with churning rock sensibility and a drawling country twang just under the surface stealing moments in the forefront when it can. Sheesh, that’s a mouthful. The songs on Outcasts are very well crafted both from a musical and lyrical standpoint. The principle songwriter in the band has an MFA in creative writing and puts it to excellent use in the 11 five minute segments that make up Outcasts and the soundtrack for these stories is equally well-crafted.

What really makes this album stand out is the characters in the songs. As it is noted in their one sheet; “they are shysters, little Huck Finns, farm maidens, murderers, sons and fathers, the dearly departed, drug dealers, spiritually confused, morally troubled, runners, stayers, lovers and thieves. Most of all, they are survivors.” See for yourself, all of the lyrics are published on the bands web site (always a god sign, IMO). Check out the samples here and pick the cd up for yourself. Personally, I am about to place an order for their debut cd.

The Wells – Knockdown Dragout
The Wells – I had a Dream, Jess
The Wells – Hard Way To Go

The Wells web site, Buy The Outcasts Will Make a Strong Nation from Miles of Music

The other night Robert Loss was kind enough to answer some questions for this piece. Personally I think this is the best interview I’ve put on the site to date, I hope you take the time to read it. It really proves that it is as mostly interviewee than interviewer that makes for a good piece:

9b.net: What is the meaning of the title of The Outcasts?

Robert: Its from the Old Testament, Book of Micah. Im not particularly wed to one religion, but I was sent to Sunday school, read the Bible. I remember first hearing that phrase at a non-denominational service for AIDS awareness week when I was about 20 and it stuck with me. The phrase can be interpreted various ways; Im looking at it from the most humanistic point of view, I think: theres always hope, and a dignity in surviving and persisting, and you find solace among the other outcasts. (At least thats how it was for me in high school.) Once we were putting together the record, it seemed like all the characters in the songs were, in one way or another, outcastsfrom their families, lovers, communities, or themselves. Thats when I wrote I Had a Dream, Jesse, which is probably closest to being a title track. I was trying to write a song to the title of the record, which we hadnt even agreed on yet as a band, and it came out differently.

9b.net: I saw you had mentioned in a myspace blog entry that you have begun writing songs for the next cd. How is that progressing?

Robert: Im always writing songs and were always working on them. By the time the record came out, we had maybe 7-8 other songs we were doing. Since then weve been focusing on learning more. Were planning to record two of them for a summertime single two that are a little different and probably wont fit on the next record. We dont have a strong idea of what the next record will be like, but were starting to make sense of all the chatter and static. Imagine a radio you cant quite tune in, but the signals getting stronger. Were going to keep taking chances. You cant keep doing the same thing, even if not many people know what youre doing.

9b.net: Your songs do a wonderful job of storytelling. Where does the inspiration for the characters such as Vera Lynn come from?

Robert: Very kind of you, thanks. Im still trying to figure out where Vera Lynn came from, especially since Id never heard of the torch singer of the same name. But I must have, maybe when I was a kid, my grandmother played her or something. All of this debris floats around in my head maybe its the same for everyone and sometimes it all floats together, like the junk that collects on the edge of a pier. I gravitate toward stories, always have tried to understand the world from a narrative point of view. A song like Knockdown Dragout is really about the gaps in the story, where someone knows, but theyre not telling. That interests me. The storytellings connected to the folk influence, too. And its just what other people say, too, a mix of other tunes, especially older ones, what you overhear, the news, all that. I Shot Tom Joad obviously connects to a novel, two songs, and some of our current political leaders; Red Shirt Era sort of came from Graham Greenes The Power and the Glory. And sometimes I have just a fragment of a lyric the first two lines of Knockdown Dragout are a good example and I have to figure out whos talking and why.

9b.net: Any thoughts of ever bringing your show to the sunshine state?

Robert: Seeing as how its snowing here in Ohio as I write this, hell yes. Were trying to get more out of town shows lined up. Its tough. Any band who does it knows how hard it is. I did it very briefly as a solo act, sometimes with a friend of all of ours, Eric Nassau; that man tours a few months of the year on his own right now. You need courage, stamina, and low monetary expectations. Of the five of us in the band, two are freelancers, one works full-time 9 to 5, and two are involved in universities. So its a time thing, too. But to take your songs across the countryits the American Dream, isnt it? So yeah, we want to come to Florida. Well happily play debutante balls, retirement homes, Epcot.

9b.net: Top 5 albums currently rocking your iPod/CD player?

Robert: In no particular order:

Abbatoir Blues Tour Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds (Its the double disc that comes with the new live DVD. The studio records are great; I think theyre what hes been after these past couple years, that lean, almost elegant but still dirty sound.)

Jubilation! Great Gospel Performances, vol. 1

Secret South Sixteen Horsepower (One that slipped past me earlier on. That man has an ungodly voice.)

Boys & Girls in America The Hold Steady

And Show Me What You Got by Jay-Z, Dylans Theme Time Radio Hours, Modern Times. Tom Waits Orphans (saw him live in Akron it was stunning). Hobos Cookbook by Appalachian Death Ride, a great band from Athens, OH area.

9b.net: A lot of places describe The Wells as alt.country. How do you feel about wearing the alt.country label? Any fear of it pigeon holing you guys?

Robert: Like any label, its got limitations and benefits. It gets you in the ballpark, and most people who would be at all interested in alt.country already are looking for some different use of the country/folk thing. Anymore I dont even know what the term means. The most recent Neko Case record reminds me of Joni Mitchell, except her voice. But thats supposed to be alt.country? With the best bands, you can hear the label, but the songs transcend it. We just plow forward, you know, hands at ten and two, and try to do something different. But I laugh when I hear claims like Alt.country or Americana or whatever is dead. Bullshit. The people who say that arent listening, or they have too narrow an idea of what those words mean. That underbelly of folk and country and blues and the marriage of those to electricity, and other forms of music none of that is going away. Maybe that neatly packaged idea is dead, but it was never really that simple to begin with.