Mar 132012
 

It was a stormy morning and unusually dark for that time of the day. I was sitting in the passenger seat of Jake’s car and making jokes about his seatbelt pads. The clouds were thick and visibility was for shit. Now none of this would deter Jake from driving like a madman so outside of the jokes I mostly set my jaw and prayed that the airbags would save me when we plummeted off of an overpass. I thin I should mention that Jake was an excitable kid who loved his music despite have questionable taste therein so when he turned around, almost completely, to grab a CD that he just had to play for me I thought that I was going to die right then and there and the only saving grace would be that he might be able to get the CD in to the player before we hit the retaining wall and the music wouldn’t suck. Some god somewhere must’ve been smiling on us because not only didn’t we die the CD Jake was willing to risk our lives to put in to the CD player was That Much Further West by some dudes from Memphis that called themselves Lucero. I didn’t even notice how many more times we almost died on the way to work that day. From the opening notes of that album I was hooked for life.

Every word of that story is the truth and to this day I am die hard Lucero fan even though I have lost touch with Jake through the years. What that day eventually led to is what you see here, these words, me being a writer for 9B. It was on the Lucero message board that I met our benevolent dictator, Autopsy IV, and from there ended up writing for this little corner of the web. So in a way the whole damn reason I am opining for music in our little joint here is result of being a Lucero fan. All of this proves nothing more than I am biased and likely the last person that should be reviewing Women & Work. To this I say: Fuck it!

As far as I am concerned all of Lucero’s catalog is drinkin’ music and this one is no different except that it is. It is different in the same way that every Lucero album is different from its predecessor. These boys have managed to grow and evolve with each album and on this one they go back from whence they came and pay tribute to Memphis soul. The horns take more of the forefront than they did on 1372 Overton Park throughout much of the album. If you didn’t like Overton then you will likely hate Women & Work and if that’s the case then as far as I am concerned you can die in a fire! I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

For me most of Lucero’s work has been more suited for drinking by myself while alone and up too late but starting with Overton and continuing on to W&W the music has taken me out on Saturday nights to find the crowds and live it up. Of course that’s oversimplifying things but I think it gets the point across. You see Lucero is a bit of an anomaly in that they have grown their sound, grown their band, maintained their core members and still sound like, well, themselves. It’s not just the band that’s grown, in sound and size, but also the writing. It seems Ben is writing from a different place than before. There’s more confidence in the lyrics. I am not quite sure that captures the entirety of what I mean but it’ll have to do. The songs are still about girls and drinkin’ but they are from another side of that same coin. It’s harder to explain than I thought it’d be so I’ll just give up and trust that you, the listener, can spin this one, nod a little bit, and think to yourself: “now I know what that bastard was talking about!”

Getting down to brass tacks Women & Work is Essential Listening, but you knew that already. What makes this such a great album is its depth. It’s not just Memphis soul, although the influence is clear throughout. It’s not just another Lucero album even though it very much is. It’s not just the soundtrack to an amazing night out, but is just that. It’s not just proof that Lucero has held their own for nine albums and fourteen years. It’s all of that and more. You know, thinking about this, I could have just said, “This is a Lucero album”, and it would have covered all of that. You see I am a fanboy when it comes to these guys and I am unashamed by that. And yes W&W is that damned good. So get off your ass and get yourself a copy.

Lucero – Who Are You Waiting On
Lucero – Sometimes
Lucero – Go Easy

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  111 Responses to “LUCERO – WOMEN & WORK”

  1. Amen Brother!

  2. this could be my favorite review of the year, been a diehard lucero fan since nobody’s darlings, downloaded w&w couple weeks ago and bought the real thing today. dig on all your reviews, keep em coming, peace.

  3. i agree with you 1000 percent. This is my album of the year. I listened to it about 9 times now via the stream and when that cd hits my mailbox.. it’s going straight to the player. these guys are with out a doubt one of best bands of all time already. lyrically and musically they are absolutely unmatched right now.

  4. Completly disagree with this review. This album is dirty underwear compared to Tennessee. If this was the album that dude played for you the first day in the car when you almost died, you would have passed on Lucero.

    Can’t you see the difference between knowing that their first 4 records were amazing, and realizing they couldn’t follow them. I’m over making excuses for a band. Yes they were awesome, beyond awesome, but this one is not awesome.

    My opinion of course. This is the first Lucero album i won’t be buying. the very first. I hope they get the message and get back to making another good one down the road. They are fully capable of coming back and destroying it again….but this one is not that record. Not even close.

    By the way, I”m from Memphis and saw my first Lucero show in Memphis a week after Self-Titled came out. Don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.

    • Wow you’re from Memphis! Can I touch you? I don’t give a flying fuck where you’re from to be honest. Presenting that as a way to make you seem like an expert is just douchebaggery. Where you’re from, what your first show was, how many times you got your picture snapped with Ben all amount to jack and shit, in that order. If you can’t see a band grow and evolve their sound without feeling like a lost little boy needing to lash out then it’s pretty obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Have fun feeling superior to all of us, and there’s more of us than there are of you, as we revel in this album. I can count a total of two people I have seen that don’t like it and you’re number two. I stand by my review mainly because it’s my opinion and nothing more. If you don’t like it then feel free to not like it. Write about not liking it on your blog. Do whatever curdles your cream. I do like it, hell my kids like it, and everyone at the show last night loved the new songs.

      Oh, BTW, you don’t know what you’re talking about. ;P

      • this could be my favorite response to my favorite review of the year. laugh motherfuckin out loud

        • Sorry we didn’t all buy your bullshit review dude. A review should be a even handed look at the work, yours did not ring that way to me at all. Your review felt like a teen age girl trying to convince me that I should listen to Lady Gaga.

          I’m sorry to hear you took the Memphis comment as a superiority complex. Seeing Lucero at the start of their career makes a huge difference in evaluating their current direction as a band. Its starting from chapter 1 instead of jumping in the middle of the book and claiming to have read the whole thing.

          Aside from our discussion here…reviews like yours are why I’m down on nine bullets. Just because its new and you get to write about it first doesn’t mean its good. You could use a little perspective on Lucero on someone from their home town, state, and who was there from the start, your welcome.

          • Wow you just don’t know when to quit do you? I didn’t think you could be a bigger a douchebag than in your first comment and then you go and prove me wrong.

            First and foremost I believe that I was clear that I am not an un-biased reviewer for this album. I don’t claim to be. I don’t even pretend to be. I was up front and honest about that. I don’t review music kid. I write about stuff I love. If I didn’t love I wouldn’t waste my time. As far as I am concerned 9B has never been about reviews in as much as it is about sharing what we love with the world. I love this album and you don’t. The difference is that you are a hipster prick about disdain for it. Like I said, start a blog and write about hating it. Unless of course being a douche in the comments on here makes you feel special. (BTW: scroll down to find someone who also doesn’t like the album, making three so far and knows how to be a respectful adult when expressing their opinions) I have never and hopefully will never write unbiased reviews on here. I would quit first. If that’s not your bag then fine but don’t condescend to tell me how I should write my reviews you self-righteous prig,

            So I didn’t hear them until That Much Further West? Let me see if I can make my feelings clear on this: SO FUCKING WHAT? By the end of the next week I had their catalog to date and listened to it extensively. So you heard them a few years before me… Again SFW? You are acting superior and you, frankly, are not. As you can see from the few comments here you are in the minority opinion on this album. Now had you been respectful you would have received respect but you chose to try and show us all how big your penis is and got dick punched for it.

            And in your third paragraph you still don’t get it. I have written so very little this year and back through the last few months of last year as well because nothing blew my mind. I wrote when something did. Kid if you think I am enamored because I get to write about new music you really don’t jack from shit. And since you want to be a dick about it here’s how I’ll roll. If I want perspective from someone who was there at the start I’ll be sure to find someone who isn’t too busy bragging about it to see the whole picture.

            And for the record, although Brian might feel different, I couldn’t care less, without surgery if you like 9B. You are a douchebag and the only saving grace of you reading the site is taking the piss out of you in the comments.

          • haha, listen dick head. Your the one that wrote a shitty review, its right here on the front page for everyone to read. I’m calling you out on it and clearly your unhappy that everyone reading ninebullets didn’t eat it up. I think thats pretty clear to anyone here following our conversation.

            I’m offering other readers a small bit of perspective on someone who has been there from the start which you have not been have you? I think anybody really curious about the record would like to hear what other long time fans think. You come off as nothing more than some guy who jumped on the bandwagon.

            Does anything you have seen me write make you think that I care if 100 other people chime in and say they like this record? Its not any good. thats the bottom line. your pole smoking on lucero is just what it sounds like: A super fan who can’t evaluate the strength of a new record because he likes the band too much.

            You think people sign onto nine bullets to hear a lucero fan say he loves the new record? Really? Or even better….tell me another story about nearly driving off the road….that tells me a lot about the record. Your an ameteur.

          • For the record; 9b has never been a critical review site and has always said that very clearly on the about page.

          • The problem is not that you don’t like the record it’s that you’re a douche in how you chose to express that opinion.

            Not that it matters but I have been there from start.

          • haha, listen dick head. Your the one that wrote a shitty review, its right here on the front page for everyone to read. I’m calling you out on it and clearly your unhappy that everyone reading ninebullets didn’t eat it up. I think thats pretty clear to anyone here following our conversation.

            I think you mean “You’re the one…”, but that’s beside the point. You started out being a douche and got called on it. You are one dude who happened to be a dick about one review. I really don’t care if you like the review. I really couldn’t care less without surgery. At this point I am just trolling you for my own personal amusement and, might I add, doing a fine job of it. What I think is clear, from the very comments on this thread, is that everyone reading this thinks that you are a moron who doesn’t know when to shut up.

            I’m offering other readers a small bit of perspective on someone who has been there from the start which you have not been have you? I think anybody really curious about the record would like to hear what other long time fans think. You come off as nothing more than some guy who jumped on the bandwagon.

            What you are offering is a logical fallacy known as Appeal to Authority. The big problem with this is that you are only an authority in your own tiny little mind. You have known about Lucero longer than me. Cool story bro, you should tell it at a party! With this paragraph you have solidified your credentials as a hipster. Are you wearing a beanie right now? Maybe some BC glasses?

            Does anything you have seen me write make you think that I care if 100 other people chime in and say they like this record? Its not any good. thats the bottom line. your pole smoking on lucero is just what it sounds like: A super fan who can’t evaluate the strength of a new record because he likes the band too much.

            It’s obvious you don’t care about much, including but not limited to, looking like a total tool. I assume that having listened to Lucero for a whole two years longer than me makes you an expert in your own mind and that’s all good. I have said it before and I’ll say it again: I don’t care that you don’t like my review or the album but only that you are being a douche. I am enjoying this little exchange because with every post you end up looking more and more idiotic. The only defense of the album I have offered is that you can’t appreciate the band’s evolution, which you obviously can’t, the rest of my comments have been aimed squarely at you and I have giggled just a little bit while typing them because, to be perfectly honest, you amuse me.

            You think people sign onto nine bullets to hear a lucero fan say he loves the new record? Really? Or even better….tell me another story about nearly driving off the road….that tells me a lot about the record. Your an ameteur.

            I know one thing for a fact, no-one and I mean no-one signs on to 9B to see your comments. I wrote something, I enjoyed writing about it, and you didn’t like it; then you were a douche about it. It was at this point my favorite thing all day happened! You let me troll you. I can’t thank you enough for providing enough amusement to keep me awake for the last two hours of work. I am thoroughly enjoying seeing you get so pissed off that, I like an album that you don’t, that you can’t even be type properly. You are a self-important blowhard whose opinion serves nothing more than to amuse me. I can assure you that no-one is reading this site hoping to stumble across your insightful comments.

            Tag you’re it!

            BTW:

            Your: Possessive pronoun
            You’re: Contraction for “you are”

            It will be much easier to wade through your drivel if you’re not so upset you can’t get the words right.

          • agree with nick

          • rsv……..point, winner

            yep, agree with this:

            “I can’t thank you enough for providing enough amusement to keep me awake for the last two hours of work.”

          • well nice job man….you are really trying to lock us into a merry go round on who is the real douche bag.

            Correcting my grammar (thank you) and pointing out a purported “logical fallacy” instead of sticking to the point on whether your review was total shit…Well I think that really illuminates what the score is, don’t you?

            I’m offering my perspective as an alternative to some over-zealous blog contributor who thought he would be preaching to the choir, got called out, and now is pretty ashamed when he goes back and reads his review again. If you don’t want to hear any feedback, take away the comments option.

            Prediction…next time you write something for nine bullets, I don’t anticipate any more of your “awesome” stories. My input is that I would be just fine listening to why you like or don’t like the record. Since you really fumbled on your primary task, I felt compelled to help you out and add some more perspective for other readers of this fine blog that have a brain and want to use it. Preaching to the choir is boring, your review was boring and lazy.

            Call me a douche all you want, I think there are quite a few people reading this that are looking again and agree. Hopefully you’ll try harder next time.

          • well nice job man….you are really trying to lock us into a merry go round on who is the real douche bag.

            Not really. As Samuel said I am loud-mouthed and overly opinionated. I have never once claimed anything different. I am an asshole. I don’t apologize for it. I troll people for fun and am highly amused while doing it. The difference here is that I know who and what I am and make no excuses.

            Correcting my grammar (thank you) and pointing out a purported “logical fallacy” instead of sticking to the point on whether your review was total shit…Well I think that really illuminates what the score is, don’t you?

            I have already addressed your sad little point. I like my review. I have liked since I typed it. I liked it enough to share it multiple times on multiple social networking sites. I stand by everything I said in my review. I even still like my anecdote. It felt pretty good to give a little hat tip to the past, to Jake, and to the way I met AIV. I am however disappointed in you. I have given you all sorts of ammunition including repeated ad hominen attacks and yet you stick to your lonely little point that you didn’t like my review. I think the score, at least according the comments here, is that you are a douche, acted like a douche and I was a dickhead, albeit an amusing one in return. I should really thank you for providing fodder for one of the longest comment threads in a while but I won’t because I am petty like that.

            I’m offering my perspective as an alternative to some over-zealous blog contributor who thought he would be preaching to the choir, got called out, and now is pretty ashamed when he goes back and reads his review again. If you don’t want to hear any feedback, take away the comments option.

            I didn’t think I’d be writing for anyone but myself because that’s why I write. Read the article nimrod! I admit I am a fanboy. And as AIV stated we have never been nor will ever be a critical review site. Every one of us here writes because we love the music about which we write. Once that stops we would best served by shuttering the whole damn site. I am ashamed of nothing in my article, not a by a long shot. It was a really fun article to write. You see the problem is that I write about things I love and want to write about in whatever style I choose to write about them and you want a critical review. Guess who’s going to win that one?

            Prediction…next time you write something for nine bullets, I don’t anticipate any more of your “awesome” stories. My input is that I would be just fine listening to why you like or don’t like the record. Since you really fumbled on your primary task, I felt compelled to help you out and add some more perspective for other readers of this fine blog that have a brain and want to use it. Preaching to the choir is boring, your review was boring and lazy.

            Oh man, I am going to dig for stories now! If I can troll you with every article I post then that’ll be perfectly fine with me. I am an asshole.
            My primary task is to write about the music I love and nothing more. I accomplished that with flying colors. You, however, have given me a second task which is to try and work in an anecdote whenever possible just to piss you off. And how fucking arrogant can you be? Telling me what my primary task is or isn’t? The only thing you helped add was some massive amusement value for the 9B staff as well as quite a few of our regular readers. Your perspective wasn’t needed at all. I think I mentioned that I couldn’t care less about your opinion without surgery at some point but I do care very deeply about amusing myself. I write here for selfish reasons and out of any altruistic desire to provide the public with anything outside of my opinion. I succeed in that every time I type up an article. Now I get the added bonus of knowing you don’t like a particular style of article. I knocked the ball completely out of the park on this one as far as I am concerned.

            Call me a douche all you want, I think there are quite a few people reading this that are looking again and agree. Hopefully you’ll try harder next time.

            I am not the only one in this thread that’s called you a douche. It seems to be the consensus. I have yet to see any agreement with you in this thread. There are people who don’t care for the album, I even used one of them as an example of how to be a respectful person, but they aren’t acting like the offspring of syphilitic goats! I would be more dismissive but I am still amazed at just how much you are letting me troll you. It, frankly, boggles the mind. I will gladly keep it up. I am, after all, an overly opinionated loudmouth who is easily amused.

          • I would like to point out that personal anecdotes have always been a hallmark of ninebullets…..and I should know, I’ve been here since day 1.

          • You think people sign onto nine bullets to hear a lucero fan say he loves the new record?

            That depends. Have these people ever been to 9B before? If so, perhaps they have noticed that all of the reviews are from the perspective of a fan who usually loves the new record. The writers here don’t sign on to tell us what not to listen to. If folks keep coming back expecting to see something else, I’d question their sanity. You know what Einstein said about that, right?

            Correcting my grammar (thank you) and pointing out a purported “logical fallacy” instead of sticking to the point on whether your review was total shit…Well I think that really illuminates what the score is, don’t you?

            Are you unclear on what exactly a logical fallacy is? Because it’s generally accepted that pointing out major flaws in the other person’s argument is not exactly a diversion tactic.

            The grammar thing, well, my husband is just an obnoxious pedant, LOL. Love ya, honey! :P

          • Yeah, love you too baby! Thanks for calling me obnoxious…

            (So what if it’s true!)

      • you are douchebag for attacking this person . he gave his honest opinion and did not personally attack anyone. his opinion is different from yours and you couldn’t let it go. you are a piece of shit, how do you like that personal attack you inbred motherfucker?
        BTW if you think this album is anything like the first four lucero releases you are an idiot as well as a douchebag.
        your pathetic whining amounted to ” i liked my review and who are you to trash it.so i am going to trash you”.
        i used to always check in to this site but i think i’ll pass by it now as i didn’t know it was just a fan club.

    • Why should we care what fans think? We don’t really expect you to care what we think. Just to kind of trust us to know what we’re talking about enough to suggest you something you can make up your own mind on.

      Ninebullets presents interesting music and gives an opinion on it. The opinions don’t mean shit, get your own, please. The presentation is what matters.

  5. Dear buzzman,

    you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Sorry, I had to. I respect your opinion and all, I do. I have to, you’re a damn Lucero fan. But, still…

    Honestly, Ben has grown up. The band has grown up. We got to see it happen. The aches aren’t the same anymore, the pain is different. The music fits that. It’s more relaxed, less caught up in the moment. I think everyone who’s grown in the last ten years with the band should be able to appreciate it.

  6. Damn. Romeo just kinda ruined anonymous guy from Memphis. Lucero’s latest is pretty great even if it doesnt pack the emotional wallop of their first four albums. It’s a great album. Bands evolve. If you don’t like it, listen to “Tennessee”. I will. I always do. But I will listen to “Women and Work” too. And, seriously, you are from Memphis? I’d like to touch you too…

    • “ven if it doesnt pack the emotional wallop of their first four albums”

      Neither does life after a while…you know.

      Losing your first love is almost like losing an appendage.

      Losing your 10th….well, it’s a night with a bottle and then you move on. I think that shift is starting to show up in Ben’s song wrting.

      I think a lot of Lucero’s fans wanted them to keep writing TMFW and playing in the little 500 head room in their town. I appreciate the band’s willingness to grow and evolve in spite of the pushback from the fan base that is present now but was really loud after the last album.

  7. Every now and then I get an email saying that I’ve let the quality of the site slip since bringing on new writers….and opinion I do not agree with and I did not get any such email with regards to this thread but I just wanna go on record as saying, I pretty much agree 100% with RSV on this one. I love the record and, to be honest, would probably be moving away from Lucero if they were still making Tennessee at this point. Ben’s obviously maturing and it shows in his songwriting.

    I said it on twitter and facebook and I’ll paraphrase it here: It’s nice to see a band evolve their sound without starting to suck. DBT should take some notes.

    • Ah come on now – I love Lucero, I can dig “W&W”, but it doesn’t hold a candle to either of the last DBT albums

      • Completely disagree with that…

        • Well, I’m from Alabama, so by default I’m the more authoritive fan when it comes to DBT. ;)
          Nah just fucking around, we’ll have to agree to disagree, I really just can’t see how someone could’ve been disappointed by TBTD or GGB – but that’s the beauty of music, meat/poison & that whole nine yards. I guess in the same way I can understand how someone would be put off by the direction that Lucero have gone (although I don’t agree with “those people”, I love how they’ve evolved) I can see how fans who came up on the holy trinity of SRO-DD-TDS may not be enamored with the direction DBT took – but I love both.

  8. I think it’s entirely fair to not enjoy a direction a band goes in. It’s fair to prefer one album over another album. It’s just kinda fucking stupid to be a dick about it.

    I know a couple of people who really don’t enjoy the horned up version of Lucero. That’s fine, I think they’re missing out, but you know what they do? They listen to the Lucero albums they like. You know what they don’t do? Walk around with their dick’s out and telling everybody why they’re stupid for liking one dick over another dick.

    It’s rock’n'roll. If you don’t like it there’s way more of it out there. Only the lame ass spends a shit ton of time of the stuff they don’t like.

    BTW: I love W&W.

    • It is entirely fair charles! Absolutely. As much I love W&W TMFW will always be my favorite because of its Replacements-esque feel. I like the horned up version and I love going through the catalog and listening to how the band has changed.

  9. I love the band but I really don’t care much for this album either(ducks for cover). Too many instruments and not enough grit for my taste. I’m not saying that it is a bad album. It simply is not for me…probably because I am a close-minded crotchety old bastard(but I am trying to change).

    • No need to duck. There’s a wide chasm of difference between saying “I personally don’t like the direction the band is taking” and saying “I’m from Memphis and my penis is bigger than yours!” I can honestly respect why some folks don’t like the new sound. I can even understand why. I am of the opinion that given enough listens this one will grow on you as long as you’re not a hipster who refuses to like anything after a band gets national attention. I could be wrong but that’s what I think.

  10. BEST NINEBULLETS COMMENT THREAD EVER, sorry but this review and comments to follow just made my shitty work day better, RSV – KEEP FIGHTIN THE GOOD FIGHT, and again always enjoy reviews from 9b for the fact that a significant amount of bands i have been turned onto have been from two of the writers here, rsv and aiv…..blogs like this benefit hard workin bands that not enough people know about.

  11. Lucero has always been about the songwriting and these are incredibly well written songs. Sure they’re less personal than Ben’s earlier lyrics but that’s not a bad thing. There’s emotion in the record it’s just not as raw as Tennessee or ST.

    Musically there’s a whole lot more going on with this record than they’ve ever done and I love it. It’s a big sound but it’s put together well and is absolutely a logical progression for the band. Rick just kills it on this record. I also really appreciate how seamlessly the horns are integrated and you can definitely tell that the music was written with them in mind.

    Basically it’s rad. You’re entitled to your own opinion but I think you’re nuts to not love this one.

  12. This review made me like the album so much more–that’s how you do an anecdotal write-up right there.

    I also like all the dick mentions in this thread! Men and Music!

    Side A is way better than Side B and I think they were more precise on Overton Park, but this album is still fucking awesome. Long live Lucero, quickly go away frat boys and gals.

  13. I can’t imagine someone wanting Ben to keep writing songs like he was 22 and getting in fights with Brian over girls. Every Lucero fan who has seen them live knows that Ben is embarrassed by “My Best Girl”. It’s beautiful and poignant but silly. W&W is about things that are important, and things that aren’t important but we do anyways. like getting blackout drunk.

    • Well said.

      The criticisms I have of the last two albums (there are many more appraisals) have been that the songs are getting more archetypal, using less specific language, casting a wider net rather than trying harpoon a powerful nuance of emotion. But, I know that Ben has written that way the whole time: “Into Your Eyes,” “A Dangerous Thing,” “Banks of the Arkansas,” are classically constructed, purposely wide folk songs in the same way that “Juniper” and “On My Way Downtown” are archetypal memphis rock songs. I think 22-y-o Ben was a little sharper writing folk songs than 30-whatever-y-o Ben is at writing rock songs, but that’s not my business, it all kicks ass in it’s own way.

  14. I’d like to touch someone too. Any city of origination will do.

    As for the album, I’m in the middle. The highs are really high but the three or four lows are a little disappointing.

    • Don’t touch me. I am feeling a bit stabby. ;) I can totally understand your point. I did spend a LOT of time listening to this one so maybe the lows grew on me a bit more than they have on others. Hell my favorite song on 1372 ended up being the one I like the least the first few times through. The one that’s stuck in my head off this one is Juniper. I can’t stop singing it, out loud, at inappropriate times.

      • I do need more time with it but it’s funny, Juniper is the song giving me the most problems. I really like the first two Downtown songs.

        Tangent: Is there a better opening than the first two songs of that John Moreland record (which I only knew existed because of 9B)?

        I prefer the stripped down video of Ben alone singing It May Be Too Late to the studio version but I still like it. I’m an album completist. I’m a dinosaur that listens to music an album at a time but i seem destined to skip 5 and 6 only to return and really enjoy 7, 8, 9. Jury is still out on the last two.

        Please keep doing what you do, RSV and other 9Bers. Love this corner of the intertubes.

  15. I think it is an alright album…not their best, but what can you do?

    I always look at bands and music as I do my friends. At certain points, we’re all in the same place, same songs in our hearts and same feelings in the air…eventually we both grow in our own ways, which isn’t always the same way. It’s why a lot of bands create albums I adore, but then never make me feel that way again…I don’t see why some folks try to make it a dick measuring/cred contest over reviews.

    I dig 9B and think RSV can be a loud-mouth, overly opinionated dude…I always like talking to him, because I too am a loud-mouth, overly opinionated dude…you have to be to write reviews and share your opinion with folks…it helps get the word out…keep up the good work, guys…

  16. “I don’t see why some folks try to make it a dick measuring/cred contest over reviews.”

    Everyone has a 12 inch dick on the Internet.

    • Not me I only have a 12 inch dick in real life…on the internet it’s only 1 inch because of shrinkage!

      • My inadequacy is showing, I’m barely 10 inches in real life.

        Actually, in the stone cold sober of the morning, I realize how sexist these comments are. I should have said, “Everyone has a tight twat on the Internet.”. I apologize to the ladies.

        My e-twat is tight.

  17. Kudos to RSV for writing from his heart, for sharing not only his thoughts on the album but something from his soul, for sharing his experience of coming to know a band he now loves.

    That’s why I’m humbled to be a contributor on 9B. There are times I don’t know shit about the music I’m reviewing (I couldn’t play an instrument to save my life) but I know what strikes a chord, what resonates with me, what elicits an emotional connection, and that’s the music we write about here on ninebullets. We write about music that we love and music that we’ve just discovered, and we do it for the joy of sharing it with others in the hope that they will love it too. Or, at the least, give it a chance.

    No one ever said you have to love every album that we review, and I probably know that better than most. I am the guy who loved Lana Del Rey, after all. And I got to experience the joy of having some anonymous douchebag basically wish me death, or at the least, a not so friendly visit from Chris Knight, an artist I guaranfuckingtee I had heard about before most people. But it didn’t cause me to lose any sleep. Same as RSV will sleep like a happy baby just knowing that he supremely dickslapped a poor guy who didn’t know enough to be respectful and to respectfully disagree without making it personal.

    All that said, I personally am really enjoying W&W, and I don’t care that it doesn’t sound like the early Lucero records. If I cared about that, I would have stopped listening to Old 97s after Satellite Rides because nothing has come close to Too Far To Care since. But that’s why we are fans, and why we do what we do. We write about music that matters to us because sometimes music is all you have to get you through.

  18. I was first drawn to this site not because it took itself seriously or thought that it was the end-all of music reviews and that it’s word was the gospel…I was drawn to it because the passion that AIV writes with is tangible, you can feel it and taste it, and it infected me and it turned me on to music that even to this day, I still love. Well, RSV continues this with his review of this kick-ass record and, if you can’t revel in the review for nothing more than it’s unbridled enthusiasm and verve, then you are indeed, as you’ve been called here several times, a true self-righteous douchebag. It doesn’t matter how long someone has listened to a band, that gives you no more credibility than anyone else. What does matter is that you allow a band to grow and mature and evolve and that, even if you don’t like the direction they’ve chosen to go in, you humbly allow yourself to part ways with them and thank them for the music that you do love, the beauty that they brought into your life, and you refrain from judging other people simply because they have chosen to stay on the path and continue to love and enjoy the music you’ve lost touch with.

    I applaud RSV for sharing his passion for Lucero with us. Of course, it doesn’t hurt that I agree with him 100% about this album, but that is really beside the point. The point is that we’re here to write about things we love, things that move us, things that speak to us in the dark of the night when we’re alone and scared, not pander to some bullshit concept that a band isn’t allowed to grow and change their sound as they mature as artists. So damn silly. You should be ashamed of yourself, Buzzman.

  19. Ha well isn’t this fun! Let me pour another IPA, pack a bong and type out my 2 cents.

    First great review! I don’t know if I agree about the album just yet but I enjoyed reading this review – like dam near all posts on this site. See I just got the album today, I’m just a simple music fan…not a review-person….so I have to wait for release day. I’m also the type of person that needs at least 20 listens before I can even begin too put together an opinion on any album. But I’ll tell you this: Today was the first really nice day, weather wise, in the Chicago area. I opened my windows, fired up my old dirty grill, and played the shit out of this album. I found myself turning it up and up and up and up….It went perfect with today, prompting me to declare “This album will be part of my summer 2012 soundtrack”.

    ‘It May Be To Late’ & ‘On my way downtown’ struck a very deep chord with me and are now two of my favorite Lucero songs of all time – it almost made me ejaculate prematurely – a feeling that Buzznuts, or whatever his name is, knows all too well I’m sure….at least I heard his partners do (Sorry, like RSV I too am an asshole and I just enjoy blindly insulting duchebags on the interweb strictly for personal entertainment.) But granted, he has every right to not like this album…he can even hate it. Hell I’m from the mindset no one is perfect….and for me this includes bands.

    You may not like every album one of your favorite band puts out – but YOU DO NOT TURN ON THE BAND for this -You support great bands! That’s a commandment I think? It’s why I still relucantly, and with a huge swill, admit I’m a fucking rolling stones fan…Exile on main street gave me that much enjoyment back in the day.

    See I found 9B because I searched bands I liked and stumbled across it one surfing day at work. The site has been a constant stream of new music these past couple years. Granted I didn’t care for some suggestions, others were very good, and then others made me blow a giant buzzman all over my desk – which I suppose depending on who you support in the election, could make me a baby killer :) So I’ll end this rambling on the stab at republicans and go find another bong and another wonderful IPA….and another spin of what I’m feeling like is going to be one of my favoritie albums of the year.

    Oh and Lucero…April 6th or 7th…at the metro – already have my ticket! I have feeling some of these songs will rock the building live.

    Peace guys, keep up the good work! All Hail 9B and the service they, and I mean all the contributors, provide.

  20. Buzz,

    As it’s clearly stated on the About page and as I clearly state to any writers I bring on board, we’re not Pitchfork and we don’t need to be looking for the wittiest way to say an album sucks. Hell, I have an entire series just for those types of reviews and I doubt I’ve used it 10 times in the six years this site has existed. The site has, on occasion gone through a slightly more negative phase, I know. But it’s during those times that I’ve enjoyed doing the site less.

    If you’re looking for critical review check out Saving Country Music. It’s obviously gonna be more your speed and Trigger does a great job with it. Or, fire up Godaddy.com, register a URL and start a blog. Hell, lemme know when it’s up and running and I’ll add it to the blogroll.

    I don’t feel like addressing all of those words up there between you and RSV so I’ll just broadstroke it by saying, “that’s your opinion and I don’t think it holds water.”

    • Listen, I read your blog often. If I didn’t like the blog I would not keep coming back.

      My point boiled down (I have nothing else to say to RSV) is that readers of a blog want thoughtful commentary. Usually I get it here, 7/10, 8/10 reviews are good on this site….I don’t like every band, but I usually appreciate the thought the writer puts into the writeup.

      After reading RSV’s review as I have stated I was offended at how little thought and intelligence was put into the writeup.

      I don’t like hearing how awesome an album is “just because” and “trust me its great.” Thats what I thought RVS’s article really was in a nutshell.

      I’m asking Ninebullets to step up their game. You can do better than that. I can do better than that. Anyone can, that was a really shitty write up and a missed opportunity to put out some real thought on an interesting subject…the new Lucero record.

      I hate pitchfork, everyone does. I’m making the point that I stopped reading blogs like pitchfork because they lost credibility (in pitchfork’s case because they can’t find positive things to say about any new record…and they think Radiohead is great). I think that ninebullets is taking a sharp turn towards losing credibility by labeling everything essential listening and lowering the bar like you did for the W&W write up.

      • Listen, I read your blog often. If I didn’t like the blog I would not keep coming back.

        My point boiled down (I have nothing else to say to RSV) is that readers of a blog want thoughtful commentary. Usually I get it here, 7/10, 8/10 reviews are good on this site….I don’t like every band, but I usually appreciate the thought the writer puts into the writeup.

        After reading RSV’s review as I have stated I was offended at how little thought and intelligence was put into the writeup.

        Oh but I have so much more to say to you! You don’t know what was put in to the article at all. You have made an assumption and done a fucking poor job of defending that opinion. I am still damn happy with the article. You keep referring to it as a review of a writeup and that’s never what I intended but you keep pushing that point. I wrote an article about an album from my personal perspective, as I always do, and you apparently lost your shit over it. This still amuses me to no end. I don’t care that you have nothing more to say to me because I will respond to every single one of your posts from here on out. You managed to get on my radar and I am very easily amused.

        I don’t like hearing how awesome an album is “just because” and “trust me its great.” Thats what I thought RVS’s article really was in a nutshell.

        Then you obviously didn’t read the whole article. I talk about how the band has grown and their sound has changed, I talk about my history in regards to their music, and I mention it’s a bad ass album. I did sum up with a point you could consider “just because” but that’s a single point in the article. You have failed to prove the article was lacking and the rest of the comments, even since your tirade yesterday, seem to prove that it wasn’t. So do I take the majority opinion or the opinion of a douchebag who won’t stop harping on the same thing over and over? Yeah I’m a dick but at least I try to change it up and make it interesting.

        I’m asking Ninebullets to step up their game. You can do better than that. I can do better than that. Anyone can, that was a really shitty write up and a missed opportunity to put out some real thought on an interesting subject…the new Lucero record.

        And you’re the only one asking that. Why would we cater to the whims of someone who doesn’t even know how to be the least bit respectful? Need a clue? We won’t. If you want a writeup that lives up to your standards then by all means start your own blog. AIV even said he’d link it if you did. As for 9B, I am doing nothing more or less than I have always done here which is, simply put, I write what I want about what I want, when I want. Your little tirade will fade in to the past and I’ll still be writing here.

        I hate pitchfork, everyone does. I’m making the point that I stopped reading blogs like pitchfork because they lost credibility (in pitchfork’s case because they can’t find positive things to say about any new record…and they think Radiohead is great). I think that ninebullets is taking a sharp turn towards losing credibility by labeling everything essential listening and lowering the bar like you did for the W&W write up.

        You’ve complained about the Essential Listening thing in the past, we all talked about it and came to the conclusion that we don’t agree with you. You can think 9B is losing credibility but so far the only person it’s losing that with is you. Even the comments that don’t like the album liked the review. There is no lowered bar at all ’round these parts. What we have here is a self-important jack-off who thinks his opinion will make a difference after he’s been a total asshole. Not likely homeboy.

        I do have to thank you for all the traffic you driving even if it most of the responses disagree with your point of view. You have given us fodder to post on FB and Twitter and get even more eyes on my little article. You totally rock as a troll! You should keep coming back so we can mock you even more. And trust me mocking is exactly what’s happening.

        • Hey RSV,

          because you are a mouthpiece and write for the blog, that doesn’t mean people agree with you. That was really my whole point in starting this argument, readers don’t just accept what you say as correct. If you do read the comments there are other people out there who see how defensive you are about your article on W&W and its not much of a stretch to see how insecure you are about the quality of your write up. Your clearly the one not letting this argument between us die.

          You can call me a douche, you can say that people are mocking me, etc. etc. etc.

          I’m calling it like i see it and its right there for everyone else to make their opinion on….no matter how many times you try and yell it out that your right.

          You wrote a lazy bad write up instead of putting real thought into it. I called you out. You continue to be crazy defensive and have jumped on me for saying that I have a more qualified opinion since I’m from Memphis (a statement that I regret even putting out and tried to clarify immediatly BTW. ) Thats really the only thing you have used to try and put me down, and your beating a dead horse. It doesn’t make you right.

          “Yell” all you want man, its clear to more than a few people that your just being really defensive because someone told you the truth about your half assed effort. And actually let me clarify that, its clear you care…thats not in dispute. I mean that the quality of the product was dog shit.

          • because you are a mouthpiece and write for the blog, that doesn’t mean people agree with you. That was really my whole point in starting this argument, readers don’t just accept what you say as correct. If you do read the comments there are other people out there who see how defensive you are about your article on W&W and its not much of a stretch to see how insecure you are about the quality of your write up. Your clearly the one not letting this argument between us die.

            Let’s get started with a logical fallacy shall we? Nice strawman! I don’t think everyone agrees with me nor have I said they do. There are a lot of comments in this thread, that I have even responded to, about not liking the album. The difference is that they gave their opinion and weren’t a bag of dicks about it. I don’t care who does or doesn’t like W&W to be honest. I wrote about it because I liked it. I also like how you chose to include your second logical fallacy, the false dilemma, in which you accuse me of being defensive because I am questioning my review. First you accused me of not being behind it earlier because I was only pointing out how much of a dick you were and not defending it and when I did point out that I stand behind it, essentially at your request, you say that proves I don’t have confidence in it. Way to go! That’s a classic false dilemma. You are new to this arguing thing aren’t you?

            You wrote a lazy bad write up instead of putting real thought into it. I called you out. You continue to be crazy defensive and have jumped on me for saying that I have a more qualified opinion since I’m from Memphis (a statement that I regret even putting out and tried to clarify immediatly BTW. ) Thats really the only thing you have used to try and put me down, and your beating a dead horse. It doesn’t make you right.

            I wrote a fun little article on an album I liked and you were a dick about it so I mocked and trolled you. You responded and continue to do so which continues to amuse me to no end. And no, your claim to superiority for the length of time you have listened to Lucero and your location when they were coming up is not the only thing I’ve used to attack you. I have used ad hominem, which is attacking the person and not the argument since you seem to be new to this, I have used sarcasm and I have pointed out how little your opinion matters to the staff, I have also attacked you for a douchebag because of your attitude which is the real reason I keep trolling you. I find you endlessly amusing. I never claimed to be “right” about W&W, I have only stated that I stated my opinion which I still strangely agree with. I am right about you being a dick. I am also being a dick but the difference is that I freely admit that I am trolling you (and really enjoy watching you respond BTW, if I hadn’t mentioned that) and that I am an asshole. You apparently remain self-aggrandizing and are under the impression that your opinion somehow matters. Mine only matters in that I get to post to the front page of the site and you don’t but that’s about the only difference. Oh yeah and you are a moron.

            “Yell” all you want man, its clear to more than a few people that your just being really defensive because someone told you the truth about your half assed effort. And actually let me clarify that, its clear you care…thats not in dispute. I mean that the quality of the product was dog shit.

            And we are back to insulting the article and the false dilemma. If I ignore this comment and don’t point out what I have already said then you will claim a win since I obviously can’t defend it anymore and if I do defend it you will claim it’s proof I am not confident it in. Way to build that up. It’s a great tool unless the person you are arguing with actually knows how to argue and recognizes the false dilemma and calls you out on it. So in short, I stand by what I have previously stated about the article. I don’t see one single person agreeing with you about the quality of the article and I am pretty sure most of the realize I am trolling you and succeeding in an epic manner!

            I also notice how you completely ignored my comments about your thoughts on the quality of the blog overall. Ask here if what I said is trute. Ask AIV. I think you’ll find that the staff, as a whole, doesn’t give two shits about what you think of the quality of the site as a whole. Or maybe you’re actually afraid you aren’t as important as you see yourself. (That’s another false dilemma BTW, designed to get you to ask and be humiliated by the response.)

            Now for the record most of my comment was ad homimen, the vast majority in fact. It’s insulting, dismissive, and out of the mind of a total asshole. (I am trying to help you with your argumentation skills since you appear to suck really bad at it.)

          • Darn it all, I missed a point I intended to make. I actually don’t care about your opinion. What I care about is amusing myself and you make a gorgeous target at the moment. Where your opinion is concerned I couldn’t care less without surgery. I do care about seeing how long you’ll let me troll you though. I think this has gone beyond mere amusement and is now a full on experiment with you as the main subject. Too bad it couldn’t be randomized and double blinded…

          • For someone that doesn’t care about my opinion your doing a lot of writing in the response area aren’t you? If you really don’t care why don’t you just shut up and try to act like it doesn’t bother you what a lowly reader of the blog has to say about your article?

            And tell me professor, when are you youtube clinics on logic going to be available? I mean, I think we all see how you have mastered the science of argument and debate. There is so much you can teach me!

            This would be a great place to let this rest. I’m happy walking away at this point and having it painfully obvious that you simply just got your feelings hurt….if you’ll scroll up, my last foray back into the subject was addressed to Autopsy IV. Not you.

      • For someone that doesn’t care about my opinion your doing a lot of writing in the response area aren’t you? If you really don’t care why don’t you just shut up and try to act like it doesn’t bother you what a lowly reader of the blog has to say about your article?

        Here we go with the false dilemma again! I guess once you go that route it’s hard to get away from it. I have explained this before but, for you, I will again. If I could type slowly for you I would since it’s obvious I’d have to speak slowly and avoid big words if were in person (ad hominem there). I am still responding because it amuses me to troll you and you are allowing me to be quite successful at it. (If you wanted to attack my grammar, I ended that sentence with a preposition) I have said all I need to say in regards to the article and refer you to my prior comments concerning it. (Again with the prepositions) But sadly this is yet another logical fallacy known as ad hominem tu quoque wherein you claim what I am saying is false because of my actions or what I say. You are really throwing them out there today.

        And tell me professor, when are you youtube clinics on logic going to be available? I mean, I think we all see how you have mastered the science of argument and debate. There is so much you can teach me!

        I think you are correct there in that there is a lot I could teach you. But since you want a youtube series here’s a good starting point Logical Fallacies For Dummies. It’s a rip on the “For Dummies” series but it’s actually pretty good. It’s also not by me. I am not accepting students right now but I do have a thirteen year old at the house who could out argue you that might be willing to take you on as a student.

        This would be a great place to let this rest. I’m happy walking away at this point and having it painfully obvious that you simply just got your feelings hurt….if you’ll scroll up, my last foray back into the subject was addressed to Autopsy IV. Not you.

        You really think I am going to stop trolling as long you keep responding? I might but not unless you cease to amuse me which you haven’t thus far. Also continually repeating a point without any proof aside from the logical fallacy I pointed out earlier is yet another logical fallacy know as argumentum verbosium, an informal logical fallacy whereas the others you have committed are formal, in which you attempt to win the argument by repeating yourself until no-one wants to continue arguing with you. This is a good one and is used quite a lot right now by Ron Paul supporters! You don’t support Ron Paul do you? (I am getting a little bored with pointing out the logical fallacies and like to mix up my mocking just the sake of diversity.) And as far as to whom you addressed your comment: You’ll note that AIV cared more about placing odds on the number of comments in this thread than replying to you. Of course he still might but I have feeling, based on his mocking of you in the latest article, that it would be for the purposes of derision. If you post in public then you can expect just about anyone to respond. I already said I am an asshole, a jerk, a loudmouth, and more so if you expected me to show you any respect after your doucebaggery you were wrong.

        TL;DR If you keep being an idiot and allowing me to troll you then I won’t stop and I will most likely enjoy it immensely. So please don’t stop…

        • I think your last response is a perfect bow on the package I am trying to present anyone else who has been following.

          I really just don’t see how someone can read our little novel here and not laugh at what a little, needy man you come across as.

          I hope your planning to take some steps to improve the quality of ninebullets. If you were representing my blog I would be pretty ashamed….unless I was directly going for the 16 year old demographic. Maybe you are, your write ups sure make it look like thats your approach.

          I’ll read anything you have to say back to this, but I am finished responding. Good luck with your blog, I hope you can write a better review for your readers next time.

          • I think your last response is a perfect bow on the package I am trying to present anyone else who has been following.

            You mean the package that contains no proof of your claims at all? The package wherein you fail to do anything but repeat the same refuted point over and over? That’s a great package but I doubt it contains what you think it does. Man I handed you a gift wrapped post including calling myself out on errors I didn’t even make and you went this route. I am sorely disappointed in your trolling at this point.

            I really just don’t see how someone can read our little novel here and not laugh at what a little, needy man you come across as.

            I am willing to lay odds that’s not the impression any who has been following this thread has taken from it. You do realize I have mocked you this while time, been honest that I am trolling you, and laughed at the whole thing right? Or have you been reading something other than the words I type. Your attempt to take a moral high ground is transparent at best. I am an asshole and so are you. The main difference is that I revel in it and you seem convinced you are better than everyone else.

            I hope your planning to take some steps to improve the quality of ninebullets. If you were representing my blog I would be pretty ashamed….unless I was directly going for the 16 year old demographic. Maybe you are, your write ups sure make it look like thats your approach.

            I am not planning to take any steps at all actually. I can see by AIV’s response to your concerns that I need but I want to rebellious and ignore…Wait that’s right there’s just radio silence and a mocking of one of the points on which you harped in the post on the main page right now! Again with the argumentum verbosium. Here’s another free clue. It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, it’s not going to be true.

            I’ll read anything you have to say back to this, but I am finished responding. Good luck with your blog, I hope you can write a better review for your readers next time.

            Are you really going to stop letting me troll you? That sucks bro! I was really enjoying this. I can really only hope and pray that one day, maybe one day, I can write an article that lives up to your high standards. In the meantime I guess I’ll keep writing about what I love and doing how I feel is appropriate. I am actually sorry to see you go. I haven’t been able to keep a troll on the hook this long in few years! Will you at least keep going until 5:30 PM CST and help me stay awake until work is over? Please?

          • third paragraph. it’s “you’re” not “your”

          • Thanks Charles ;) someone noticed. Man have I made a ton of mistakes, intended and otherwise, all whilst pointing out someone else’s. You totally rock for calling me on it…

  21. I would like to clarify a little bit here since yesterday I got caught up slapping down a douche-nozzle. I do like this album a lot and I am a Lucero fan boy but I don’t think that my opinion is the be-all-end-all. Liking an album or not liking is a subjective thing and not everyone has the same tastes. The only time music becomes objective is if people are doing things like playing chords that don’t exist, the drummer is out of time, and other technical issues none of which exist on W&W. So if you don’t like this album feel free to say so and please tell us why. The only “rule” I have is that if you are dick I will be a dick back. If you want a real and calm discussion I am more than happy to oblige. I just wanted to post this so no-one got the impression that commenting about not liking an album would get your head crushed. Carry on.

    • Buzzman stated in his first post that he was offering his opinion and you attacked him anyway.
      you should not write (if you want to call it that) “reviews”. Or better yet, go write for 16 they will love your “reviews”.

  22. I’ve been a very big supporter of Lucero even before I knew what they really were. It started with Self title-Lucero and Tennassee at the same time. It’s been about 7 years. I was dating a guy who had “My Best Girl” as his song on myspace…. yeah. So I listened to it over and over again… and then found more of their stuff. I’m telling you, I listened to the shit outta those two albums. And that was it. I didn’t get a chance to start listening to other albums of theirs untill about a year and a half ago. I was introduced to TMFW and didn’t dig it… for one simple (stupid) reason…. it wasn’t the self titled album and it wasn’t Tennassee… but I still listened to it a few more times and have really come to dig it! And then at the same time I was trying to like TMFW I also found 1372 and REALLY DUG THAT!

    I love W&W… I love the fact that they can incorporate more instruments into the songs and it still sounds amazing. The lyrics never fail me. Often I have stopped liking a band because they’ve gone in a different direction I didn’t agree with. I fear I am like the rest of the people on this post. I love this band. I’m at every show they’ve done in my town in the past year and a half, I’ve bought my tee shirts, and a pin, and a poster. And I’m looking forward to buying this record when I can. (and trust me if I could have afforded it I’d have pre-ordered it with the extras)

  23. Pardon my chiming in here, but at the risk of the writer of this review chasing me down with a pitchfork, i have to say that i’m not a particularly big fan of the album myself. I have been following Lucero since about 2001 and have loved most every album and agree with autopsyIV that i’d be burning out a bit by now if they were just re-writing Tennessee over and over again. I think that this is just one of those albums that will resonate with different people in different ways. I can’t say I know what direction i’d have preferred the album take, and i would venture to guess that i’d enjoy the album more live than through my speakers. I have been a 9bullets follower for quite a long time now it seems and i’m grateful for your blog. I don’t ALWAYS agree with opinions and if there’s one thing i’d like to say about the disagreements that are going on on here, it’s just that i think this reviewer should be willing to accept criticisms better than coming out swinging. I thought the piece was really well written and was an honest opinion. But you literally can’t speak on everyone’s behalf and have to trust that you’re opinion is your opinion and of course it matters. So i’ll be looking forward to more reviews and endorse 9bullets adding as many writers as they like. The more opinions the better, but don’t be so hard on your readers. That’s all. Keep up the good work dudrs.

    • First I want to say thanks for being respectful! It makes all the difference in the world. You and I don’t agree on this album and that’s cool. Hell we probably wouldn’t agree on brands of beer either but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t buy ya’ one if I caught up with in a bar! The difference here is that you post with a modicum of respect and the jerk yesterday didn’t. I shared my opinion, which is mine and mine alone. You shared yours and it didn’t match up with mine. And now we have more viewpoints in the comments than we did before you posted! I would never think to speak on everyone’s behalf and if I came across that way then thank you for pointing it out. I think if you’d read the rest of the comments you’d see I am not going to round up an angry mob and come hunting for you for not liking a Lucero album, that’s just silly! I hope I didn’t make you hesitant to post here in our little comments section!

  24. oop. i just saw romeosidvicious’s last post. which clears up some of my post. so thanks

    • I’ll be honest with you. I had a lot of fun with the exchange yesterday. That might make me a bad person. (Thanks for reading the rest of the thread, I was hoping someone would see that post)

  25. I think this is what Ben and the gang wanted when they wrote the album, to start an internet bar fight.

    Jokes aside, I like Women & Work. It’s not Tennessee, it’s not TMFW, but that doesn’t make it bad. An artist, regardless of the medium, has their right to follow new paths and different directions.

    I am a die-hard Lucero fan, and PREFER their early stuff, but that doesn’t mean I should shit all over Overton and Women & Work because it’s different. I like Darkness on the Edge of Town and I like Born in the USA. I like Ride the Lightning, and I like the Black Album. I prefer one to the othe, but it doesn’t mean the other is bad. If some band I had never known released with Women & Work as their first release today, we would all be jumping all over the site and saying how great it is.

    This all being said, even though I prefer older Lucero, I say with confidence that “I Can’t Stand to Leave You” might be one of my favorite Lucero songs to come out in years.

    • For the record, I live in Tennessee. I get some kind of “authority” badge, right Buzz?

      • Yeah I would be really interested in what you have to say. If you saw Lucero early on and have followed the band I would be very interested to know if you have the same take on W&W as me.

        Feel free to just cut out any near death stories and stick to what you like or don’t like about the record.

        • Wow Buzz don’t you recognize the condescension and sarcasm in Todd’s comment? He’s mocking your claim to having any expertise at all because you were t”here at the beginning!” You can’t even see when others are totally mocking you! This is great stuff. You may totally be the best troll we’ve ever had. Although I am disappointed that I haven’t had any death threats like John got from his Lana Del Ray review. You need to step up your game here…

        • I’m from Tennessee, and have followed Lucero since “Tennessee”. My opinion is what I stated above.

  26. Is Lucero required to stay within their fans’ safe zones? If that’s the case, is it fair to the band?

    From my review of 1372 Overton Park: http://ninebullets.net/archives/lucero-1372-overton-park

  27. “Just because its new and you get to write about it first doesn’t mean its good.”

    yeah.
    Because this website is known for being the first to write about albums….

  28. i love this blog! And these comments are hilarious. yesterday morning i was constantly checking the site because i knew the W&W review was coming. It was everything i hoped it would be. Thanks to RSV for making a badass review!

  29. I loved 1372 Overton Park and I’ve been listening to the RS stream of Women & Work on repeat since I found out about it. My pre-order should be in the mail when I get home tonight. I’m a big fan for many of the reasons listed and I’m sure that once I get my own physical copy I’ll really get into it seeing as how my superiors frown upon my office drinking. I’m squarely in the BIG FAN camp on this. My only tiny quibble is I just don’t like the female backing vox on “Go Easy.” That’s it, everything else is great.

    I’m also someone that came across the band around the time of That Much Further West and I can somewhat appreciate the opinions of those that prefer that iteration of the band. However I’ve always looked at it this way: As a fan of punk since I was 15 I’ve always liked the pop-punk band the Queers. I liked them when I first heard them on Love Songs for the Retarded and I still liked them when I got their latest album a little over a year ago. There isn’t much difference between these two albums, meaning that for 15 years plus the Queers have been putting out the same sound. I like this about them, as I can listen to an album from late 2010 and it will make me feel like I felt in 1995. But the bands that I love are the bands that I’ve grown up with. DBT, Lucero, Against Me!, these are bands that have certainly changed over the years but for better or worse I feel like I’ve changed right along with them. And this makes me love these bands even more.

  30. I’m a die hard Lucero fan. I really like this album. Is it my favorite Lucero album? No so what. I think Nobody’s Darling’s will always be my favorite because that was my first exposure to Lucero. I do like this album better than 1372 I think they improved on what they were trying to do with 1372. I think I Can’t Stand to Leave You is an amazing song, I thought that when I saw the video of Ben playing it acoustically. Then I heard the album version of it and was blown the hell away it sounds fucking amazing! The album as a whole is solid! That’s my story, and I’m from Newport PA like that matters!

  31. Nice review + great comment thread. I like the album a lot. I don’t think it’s among their best, but it’s a strong record and shows where they’re at right now. If you don’t like that, fine. No need to be self-righteous about it. Lucero still sounds as good as ever live and I’m sure these new songs will fit into their sets very comfortably. Also, I don’t think the quality of 9B has slipped at all with the new writers. They all have their own angles and writing styles. They’ve opened up the scope of 9B and I like it.

  32. This is like an Against Me! thread on Punknews

  33. Anyone wanna drop odds on this making it to 100 comments?

  34. I like Lucero and certainly appreciate how their sound has evolved. Folks who criticize the horns and keys need to listen to more Stones and Stax. My biggest gripe is that they’ve always left a bit to be desired lyrically and it seems with each album this is more and more apparent.

  35. I like turtles.

  36. I think “Women & Work” is a good album to listen to while you read through these comments. You know…just an idea.

    And for the love of freaking god, it’s “you’re” not “your!” The pathetic arguments look even worse using that incorrectly.

  37. Fuck prog rock!!! — 100?

  38. OH… I thought this post was about the sexy Latino singer… :-o Man this band isn’t too bad either I guess!

  39. Jesus i just read the rest of this thread and i can’t believe it. Who is this autopsy goof? Why would he have someone review a record if he is going to give a biased opinion of it? Does he think all of his readers are lemmings who will just follow the cheerleader?
    One comment this Autopsy victim says he is a professional yet a look at the current column show he doesn’t know the difference between the word decent and descent.
    And why the fuck are you slagging Mumford and Sons in your banner? The closest you’ve ever come to being part of a band is when you put on your neck brace and knee pads.

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